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	<title>Comments on: Today&#8217;s lesson on how to bang your head against a brick wall&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Reflections and realisations &#124; Scattered pieces</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reflections and realisations &#124; Scattered pieces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it through.  There was humour obvious in our entries despite the confusion &#8211; for example Today&#8217;s lesson on how to bang your head against a brick wall&#8230; When we compare these entries with the entries over the last few months, it appears obvious to us [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it through.  There was humour obvious in our entries despite the confusion &#8211; for example Today&#8217;s lesson on how to bang your head against a brick wall&#8230; When we compare these entries with the entries over the last few months, it appears obvious to us [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Rochester</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Rochester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to harp, but ... the fact that she won&#039;t accept written communication in session is also a major red flag, to me. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;*sigh*&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One of those eight other options HAS to be better than this one!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Much love to you over the holidays -- I&#039;ll be thinking of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to harp, but &#8230; the fact that she won&#8217;t accept written communication in session is also a major red flag, to me. </p>
<p>*sigh*</p>
<p>One of those eight other options HAS to be better than this one!</p>
<p>Much love to you over the holidays &#8212; I&#8217;ll be thinking of you.</p>
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		<title>By: castorgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>castorgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you RockerGirl...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you RockerGirl&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RockerGirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>RockerGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello castorgirl --&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Reading this post made me shudder. Where on earth some therapists get their ideas is beyond me. Personally I don&#039;t think there is any way to integrate parts when you don&#039;t know who they are or what they do -- I think your instincts about that are right on. If those parts have not had the chance to explain and heal some from why they were separate in the first place, then odds are they still need to be separate. (Is this rocket science??) As for the &quot;toe the line or else&quot; threat... I don&#039;t see that she had any right to imply such a thing when it is regarding what you want out of your therapy. And integrating under threat is never going to work anyway. I&#039;m glad you&#039;ve decided to find someone who is a better match for you, and I wish you well in your therapist search!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello castorgirl &#8211;</p>
<p>Reading this post made me shudder. Where on earth some therapists get their ideas is beyond me. Personally I don&#8217;t think there is any way to integrate parts when you don&#8217;t know who they are or what they do &#8212; I think your instincts about that are right on. If those parts have not had the chance to explain and heal some from why they were separate in the first place, then odds are they still need to be separate. (Is this rocket science??) As for the &#8220;toe the line or else&#8221; threat&#8230; I don&#8217;t see that she had any right to imply such a thing when it is regarding what you want out of your therapy. And integrating under threat is never going to work anyway. I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;ve decided to find someone who is a better match for you, and I wish you well in your therapist search!</p>
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		<title>By: castorgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>castorgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you both for your support...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;David, we&#039;re only now thinking about the power dynamics of the therapeutic relationship.  It seems very skewed in her favour at times.  Part of this is because we are unable to communicate our problems and concerns fully.  Our level of education gives the illusion of us being able to communicate - and some of us can through writing.  But she doesn&#039;t accept us bringing in anything in the written format - it has to be vocalised and we don&#039;t have the confidence or skills to vocalise some things.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We&#039;ll go therapist hunting after the holidays. Considering we only have 8 to choose from, it will be a short search.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hoping you and your cats have a good holiday season... they are training you well my friend :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Take care&lt;br/&gt;M &amp; Sophie :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you both for your support&#8230;</p>
<p>David, we&#39;re only now thinking about the power dynamics of the therapeutic relationship.  It seems very skewed in her favour at times.  Part of this is because we are unable to communicate our problems and concerns fully.  Our level of education gives the illusion of us being able to communicate &#8211; and some of us can through writing.  But she doesn&#39;t accept us bringing in anything in the written format &#8211; it has to be vocalised and we don&#39;t have the confidence or skills to vocalise some things.</p>
<p>We&#39;ll go therapist hunting after the holidays. Considering we only have 8 to choose from, it will be a short search.</p>
<p>Hoping you and your cats have a good holiday season&#8230; they are training you well my friend :)</p>
<p>Take care<br />M &amp; Sophie :)</p>
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		<title>By: David Rochester</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Rochester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CG -- Yes, that comment does sound like a threat, and what&#039;s more, it doesn&#039;t even reflect the situation accurately.  You don&#039;t seem to me to be resistant to change in any unusual or problematic way ... I perceive you as wanting to protect yourself in the process of healing, and any therapist who doesn&#039;t understand that, with a trauma client, has no business dealing with trauma clients.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The power dynamic implied in &quot;hiding&quot; the methodology also seems to me highly counterintuitive for dealing with a trauma client.  I&#039;ve had past therapists who have given me ultimatums of one kind or another, and was amazed when my current therapist said, &quot;I&#039;ll never do that, because loss of voluntary autonomy was a key factor in traumatizing you in the first place -- so why would I ever want to retraumatize you in the same way?  You&#039;d never be able to trust me at all, if I did that ... if I tried to make you comply with my agenda, by threatening you with consequences.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;d like this attitude to go out as an APB to all of the crazed therapists that people seem to be dealing with these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CG &#8212; Yes, that comment does sound like a threat, and what&#8217;s more, it doesn&#8217;t even reflect the situation accurately.  You don&#8217;t seem to me to be resistant to change in any unusual or problematic way &#8230; I perceive you as wanting to protect yourself in the process of healing, and any therapist who doesn&#8217;t understand that, with a trauma client, has no business dealing with trauma clients.  </p>
<p>The power dynamic implied in &#8220;hiding&#8221; the methodology also seems to me highly counterintuitive for dealing with a trauma client.  I&#8217;ve had past therapists who have given me ultimatums of one kind or another, and was amazed when my current therapist said, &#8220;I&#8217;ll never do that, because loss of voluntary autonomy was a key factor in traumatizing you in the first place &#8212; so why would I ever want to retraumatize you in the same way?  You&#8217;d never be able to trust me at all, if I did that &#8230; if I tried to make you comply with my agenda, by threatening you with consequences.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like this attitude to go out as an APB to all of the crazed therapists that people seem to be dealing with these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, please seek a new therapist. No therapist should push integration on you. The therapist should be your partner in healing. The ultimatum of doing it her way or forget about it is not right. Don&#039;t do anything that doesn&#039;t feel right &quot;to please&quot; the therapist.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My favorite client word was &quot;No.&quot; It told me they were making decisions based on how they felt rather than what I might say could be an approach.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I honestly don&#039;t know DBT, but any method that helps the client meet the client&#039;s goals for healing is good. It&#039;s not up to client&#039;s to meet the therapist&#039;s goals!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, please seek a new therapist. No therapist should push integration on you. The therapist should be your partner in healing. The ultimatum of doing it her way or forget about it is not right. Don&#8217;t do anything that doesn&#8217;t feel right &#8220;to please&#8221; the therapist.</p>
<p>My favorite client word was &#8220;No.&#8221; It told me they were making decisions based on how they felt rather than what I might say could be an approach.</p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t know DBT, but any method that helps the client meet the client&#8217;s goals for healing is good. It&#8217;s not up to client&#8217;s to meet the therapist&#8217;s goals!</p>
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		<title>By: castorgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>castorgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 04:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve summed it up nicely David. We&#039;d be happy to move ahead with any course of action if we knew what we were dealing with and how it was to be done.  Even then, we know that any change could have unknown consequences, but we&#039;d like to know what the safety nets are etc.  Research helps us to ease those fears and prepare us for some of the eventualities.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The part when she said that if we didn&#039;t want to change we may as well not see her or anyone, just sent chills through us.  It&#039;s just our interpretation of the words, but it felt very much like a threat or warning to toe the line.  I know this wasn&#039;t the case, but again it indicates that we don&#039;t trust her enough to do basic questioning to establish the meaning behind her words.  Instead we freeze and panic.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We&#039;re going therapist seeking after the New Year holidays - most of them are on holiday at the moment.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Take care and hoping that you have a good holiday season...&lt;br/&gt;M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve summed it up nicely David. We&#8217;d be happy to move ahead with any course of action if we knew what we were dealing with and how it was to be done.  Even then, we know that any change could have unknown consequences, but we&#8217;d like to know what the safety nets are etc.  Research helps us to ease those fears and prepare us for some of the eventualities.</p>
<p>The part when she said that if we didn&#8217;t want to change we may as well not see her or anyone, just sent chills through us.  It&#8217;s just our interpretation of the words, but it felt very much like a threat or warning to toe the line.  I know this wasn&#8217;t the case, but again it indicates that we don&#8217;t trust her enough to do basic questioning to establish the meaning behind her words.  Instead we freeze and panic.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re going therapist seeking after the New Year holidays &#8211; most of them are on holiday at the moment.</p>
<p>Take care and hoping that you have a good holiday season&#8230;<br />M.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rochester</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Rochester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just so maddening to read about.  I wish you could find a different therapist; I really don&#039;t think her approach makes sense.  I don&#039;t think you&#039;re overanalyzing ... I think you don&#039;t know your system well enough for the next phase to be possible.  Increasing communication among parts you&#039;re aware of certainly makes sense, but ... I dunno, darling.  I think Carrie has a point.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It also seems odd that Bob doesn&#039;t want you to research the methodology.  I think intelligent people are a lot more likely to comply when they respect and understand the plan of action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just so maddening to read about.  I wish you could find a different therapist; I really don&#8217;t think her approach makes sense.  I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re overanalyzing &#8230; I think you don&#8217;t know your system well enough for the next phase to be possible.  Increasing communication among parts you&#8217;re aware of certainly makes sense, but &#8230; I dunno, darling.  I think Carrie has a point.  </p>
<p>It also seems odd that Bob doesn&#8217;t want you to research the methodology.  I think intelligent people are a lot more likely to comply when they respect and understand the plan of action.</p>
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